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Hand histoires/ or discussions about the game 1 Year, 6 Months ago Karma: 3
Well I think it's time to move us a little forward into some poker talk here girls and to learn and help each other out so we can beat those men at the tables. I am not a perfect player by far means but If any one want to post a hand history or a hand discussion here please do so and Hopefully others will include there input on how to play it out or what are the best moves. It's all a learning process and it's great to learn by our mistakes or learn perhaps a better way to play that particular hand. I always keep notes on my opponents, it tells me a few things, there betting sizes, or changes in betting patterns, the cards they play and in what position. If helps sometime to make a decision whether you are going to make a call.

I will start this off with a Hand from the $55.00 Special that I played. I reviewed it much later with my coach, and he told me on flop to shove to push off anyone from going further and or trying to river you with a straight or flush, or even 2 pairs. Isolate the betting. Any one want to put input please feel free. It's not to criticize anyone in particular but to learn from the experience so our game can grow. Remember you want to fix your leaks and stride to become the best player you are. Also remember Bad Beats do happen, just get over them quickly and move on, sitting and brewing on a hand will put you on tilt.

PokerStars Game #52711157984: Tournament #330073039, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/11/14 20:23:36 ET
Table '330073039 5' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Gwyneth2112 (2250 in chips)
Seat 2: par4mindy (3110 in chips)
Seat 3: bam56 (2740 in chips)
Seat 4: TXScooper (3230 in chips)
Seat 5: tzamalo (2810 in chips)
Seat 6: pamadath (2910 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: mcjack5678 (4470 in chips)
Seat 8: Fun Crissy (2540 in chips)
Seat 9: rcgs59 (2940 in chips)
mcjack5678: posts small blind 10
Fun Crissy: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rcgs59 [Ks Kd]
rcgs59: raises 30 to 50
Gwyneth2112: folds
par4mindy: folds
bam56: folds
TXScooper: folds
tzamalo: folds
pamadath: folds
mcjack5678: folds
Fun Crissy: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [Tc Qd 7h]
Fun Crissy: checks
rcgs59: bets 50
Fun Crissy: calls 50
*** TURN *** [Tc Qd 7h] [5s]
Fun Crissy: checks
rcgs59: bets 110
Fun Crissy: raises 110 to 220
rcgs59: calls 110
*** RIVER *** [Tc Qd 7h 5s] [8s]
Fun Crissy: bets 100
rcgs59: raises 210 to 310
Fun Crissy: calls 210
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rcgs59: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Fun Crissy: shows [8h Qh] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Fun Crissy collected 1270 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1270 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Qd 7h 5s 8s]
Seat 1: Gwyneth2112 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: par4mindy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bam56 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TXScooper folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tzamalo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pamadath (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mcjack5678 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Fun Crissy (big blind) showed [8h Qh] and won (1270) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 9: rcgs59 showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings


like he told me I shove have shoved on the fold.
 
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#622
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Re:Hand histoires/ or discussions about the game 1 Year, 5 Months ago Karma: 0
Well, I don't agree with a shove at any point. That's just too agressive for the pot size and you've already been successful in isolating the play to just one opponent with your preflop raise.

I would suggest the following alternative plays:

1. Preflop - Raise to 4-5x the big blind. The goal is to reduce the field to just one opponent and being first to act is an issue here. A weak raise will usually entice several players into calling. Once one calls, then every subsequent player is getting even better odds to call. In your case, it was fortunate that only the big blind, one of only two players to be out of position to you, called.

2. On the flop -- With no real draws on this flop for a big pair and not many for the most likely hands your opponent may be holding (a weak or suited Ace, a Q or a small pocket pair), it is important to protect your big pair from everything (top pair making two pair, an ace, a smaller pair hitting a set, potential draws). The problem with big pairs is it's harder for them to improve, and if they haven't improved by the river, they are nothing more than just one pair. In this instance, the only hand with a big draw that your opponent is most likely to be holding is J9 (probably not KJ since you can account for 3 Ks). If she's holding pocket 10s or 7s, she's not going anywhere, no matter what you bet. But you should try to find out how much she likes her hand. Also, you don't want her controlling the action and you don't to take the chance of her turning a set or a card that gives her a monster draw for free or at her price. With a $110 pot, I would have bet $75-110. If she comes over the top, I would reraise. If she calls the reraise or repops again, I would consider the possibility that my Ks are beat and likely fold to any further big betting by her. Only good players can lay down a winning hand.

3. On the turn -- The 5s is not a scare card. Still no flush draw and if your opponent is holding J9, she didn't get there. If your flop bet was called (not reraised), then it's quite possible your opponent has a Q. I would suggest a bet of about 75% of the pot. I want to make sure my opponent is not getting the odds to call. But if she does call and gets there, I can be confident in knowing that I made the correct play and she made a bad call. In the long run, I'll be a winning player and she will be a losing one making such calls. If your opponent called your flop bet and now comes over the top on the turn as she did here, I would reraise to find out how much she really likes her hand. Again, if she calls or repops, you may have to consider that you are beat and be prepared to lay the Ks down depending on the size of the bet.

4. On the river -- ok .. there's been no improvement to KK. If I were first to act, I would check and hope my opponent checks behind. But if she is first to act or bet, as in this situation, I would just call. No reason to raise here. If you get called, you are likely beat.

In this particular situation, it's hard to know whether the BB would have folded to a bigger preflop raise .. maybe. Q8h isn't that strong of hand, but maybe she saw hearts and royalty and fell in love. And, once she flops the Q, it's hard to know if any size bet would have gotten her off -- especially since she thought her top pair with 8 kicker was good enough to check-raise on the turn. So, in retrospect, you may have saved a ton not betting KK any stronger. The only way you could have saved more in this particular situation would have been by just calling, not raising, the river bet.

I hope this was helpful and the kind of exchange you were hoping for.

Cindy Albert
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